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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.social/@JustBobtholomew" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">JustBob</a> Discord has completely warped the term "server" for entire generations of Internet users. On Discord, "server" means "chatroom". In the Fediverse, "server" doesn't mean "chatroom". It means "<a href="https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/what-is-server/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">server</a>". A computer. For example, <a href="https://www.trentonsystems.com/en-us/resource-hub/blog/what-is-a-rack-server" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a rack computer with no screen and no keyboard and no mouse bolted into a server rack at a data centre</a>. Or <a href="https://www.xda-developers.com/turn-old-laptop-into-home-server/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">an old laptop that someone had lying around</a> or <a href="https://www.raspberrypi.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a Raspberry Pi mini-computer</a> running at someone's home, connected to their landline. On each one of these, a big or small Twitter can be running (Mastodon). Or a wholly different Twitter (Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, Catodon, Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko...). (Here's the first important new thing for you to learn about the Fediverse: The Fediverse is not only Mastodon.) Or a Facebook with a side of a blog and a cloud server (Friendica, (streams), Forte). (Here's the second important new thing for you to learn about the Fediverse: The Fediverse is not only short-form microblogging. Look at this comment. Look at what I've done. Embedded links. Bold type. Impossible on Mastodon. But possible elsewhere in the Fediverse.) Or a Facebook meets WordPress meets Google Cloud Services meets even more stuff on top (Hubzilla; this is where I am). Or an Instagram (Pixelfed). Or a YouTube (PeerTube). Or a Twitch (Owncast). Or a Reddit (Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed). Or a Goodreads (BookWyrm). Or whatever. There are over 150 different server applications in the Fediverse. mastodon.social, where you are, is only one of over 10,000 big and small Twitters of the same kind (Mastodon). If Mastodon was like Discord, all 10,000+ Mastodon servers would run in one and the same gigantic data centre in the USA, owned by Mastodon, Inc. And they would all be property of Mastodon, Inc. If the Fediverse was like Discord, all 30,000+ Fediverse servers would run in one and the same gigantic data centre in the USA, owned by Mastodon, Inc. And they would all be property of Mastodon, Inc. Also, they would be fully identical in functionality. But as I've said above: They're all running on their own separate machines. With their own separate owners. And the different server applications have different developers, and they are being developed independently from one another. Okay, now comes the kicker: These server applications are not walled up against one another. Not only are all instances of the same server applications (e.g. Mastodon) connected to each other, but all instances of one server application are also connected to all instances of all the other server applications. Imagine you're on Twitter. But your new friend is on Facebook. You can't follow a Facebook user on Twitter, and you can't follow a Twitter user on Facebook. In the Fediverse, you can. You can be on Twitter. And follow a Facebook user. Directly from Twitter. Without a Facebook account. Only that they aren't named Twitter and Facebook in the Fediverse. Twitter is named Mastodon or Pleroma or Akkoma or Misskey or Calckey or Firefish or Iceshrimp or Sharkey or Catodon or... There are dozens of Twitter alternatives in the Fediverse. Well, and Facebook is named Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams) or Forte. You can be on Mastodon. And you can follow Friendica accounts. From Mastodon. Without a Friendica account. This comment is a very good example. You are on <a href="https://joinmastodon.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a>, created by @<a href="https://mastodon.social/users/Gargron" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eugen Rochko</a> in 2016 as an alternative to Twitter that aimed to be as close to Twitter as possible. The server that you're on, <a href="https://mastodon.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mastodon.social</a>, is owned by Mastodon, Inc. and running on one or multiple rack servers in San Francisco, California, USA owned by <a href="https://fastly.com" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fastly</a>. I am on <a href="https://hubzilla.org" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>, created by @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a> in 2012 by forking his own <a href="https://friendi.ca" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> from 2010, and currently mainly maintained by @<a class="" href="https://hub.somaton.com/channel/mario" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mario Vavti</a> and @<a class="" href="https://hub.volse.no/channel/harald" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Harald Eilertsen</a>. Hubzilla has got nothing to do with Mastodon whatsoever. It started out as an alternative to Facebook, but not a clone, rather better than Facebook, with full-blown long-form blogging capability and a built-in file storage, and it has been enhanced greatly in functionality even beyond that. The server that I'm on, <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/siteinfo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Netzgemeinde</a>, is owned and administered by @<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/buckaroo" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mark Nowiasz</a>, who has no affiliation with the Hubzilla developers, and running on a rack server in Nuremberg, Germany owned by <a href="https://www.netcup.com/en" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Netcup</a>. And yet, you can see this comment coming from Hubzilla on Mastodon. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Server" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Server</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Instance" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instance</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Akkoma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Akkoma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Misskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Misskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forkeys" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forkeys</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Calckey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Calckey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Firefish" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Firefish</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Iceshrimp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iceshrimp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Sharkey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharkey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Catodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Meisskey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Meisskey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Tanukey" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tanukey</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Neko" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Neko</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pixelfed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pixelfed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PeerTube" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PeerTube</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Owncast" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Owncast</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Lemmy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lemmy</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%2Fkbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">/kbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mbin" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mbin</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=PieFed" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">PieFed</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=BookWyrm" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">BookWyrm</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=NotOnlyMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NotOnlyMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseIsNotMastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseIsNotMastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonIsNotTheFediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MastodonIsNotTheFediverse</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://flipboard.social/@mike" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike McCue</a> Does this feed include anything concerning the guy who is the technological edge of the Fediverse personified, @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a>? #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Nomad" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nomad</a>

EVSHIFT<a href="https://www.evshift.com/316201/2021-toyota-corolla-vs-2021-kia-forte-all-you-need-to-know-toyota/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.evshift.com/316201/2021-toyota-corolla-vs-2021-kia-forte-all-you-need-to-know-toyota/</a> 2021 Toyota Corolla vs 2021 Kia Forte | All You Need to Know | Toyota <a href="https://channels.im/tags/2021Corolla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#2021Corolla</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/2021CorollaSpecs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#2021CorollaSpecs</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/2021Forte" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#2021Forte</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/2021KiaForte" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#2021KiaForte</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/2021ToyotaCorolla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#2021ToyotaCorolla</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/2021ToyotaCorollaSpecs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#2021ToyotaCorollaSpecs</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/corolla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#corolla</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/CorollaApex" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CorollaApex</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/CorollaFeatures" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CorollaFeatures</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/CorollaHybrid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CorollaHybrid</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/CorollaVsForte" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CorollaVsForte</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/ElectricCars" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ElectricCars</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/ElectricVehicles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ElectricVehicles</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/EV" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#EV</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/forte" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#forte</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/kia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#kia</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/KiaForte" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KiaForte</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/SmallCarComparison" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SmallCarComparison</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/Toyota" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Toyota</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/ToyotaCorolla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ToyotaCorolla</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/ToyotaCorollaVsKiaForte" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ToyotaCorollaVsKiaForte</a> <a href="https://channels.im/tags/ToyotaUsa" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ToyotaUsa</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://thefolklore.cafe/@juergen_hubert" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jürgen Hubert</a> There's hardly anything else that tries to get people on board by trying to pretend it's a monolithic silo like Mastodon. As far as contact discovery goes, that point goes to the actual social networking server apps in the Fediverse, the Facebook alternatives, rather than the microblogging server apps that are being misused as social networks. I think 𝕏 doesn't suggest potential new contacts to you, and Mastodon definitely doesn't. But Facebook does, and so do Friendica and the rest of its family (Hubzilla, (streams), Forte). (streams) could be the king of this because it can find both all kinds of ActivityPub actors (unlike Hubzilla) and actors using the nomadic protocols on which Hubzilla and (streams) itself are based (unlike Friendica), if only it had more and especially larger public instances. By the way, only a week ago, I wrote <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/7a3cd8cd-3eee-481f-ac61-4c900551050a" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">an article about this</a>. Also, all four are better equipped for finding your own kind of people. You don't need instances for specific target audiences which newbies will almost never hear of. You don't have to fumble around with hashtags, not even knowing what the "right" hashtag for a certain topic is. That's because all four have native built-in support for discussion groups. Pretty much all the Fediverse can connect to these groups, but it's here where these groups are at home, and Mastodon doesn't even understand the concept of groups. Not to mention that, unlike Guppe groups, these groups can be moderated. And at least on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte, they can be fully private so that non-members can't look inside and even hidden from public directories. As far as moderation goes, especially Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte are geared towards self-moderation. They have extensive permissions systems on three levels (per channel, per contact, per post). In combination with their understanding and system of conversations (which Mastodon completely lacks as well), you can moderate your own threads and even delete offending comments. Unfortunately, you can't have them purged from the whole Fediverse. Also, the reliance on self-moderation means that neither of the three has a Report button or even only a report system built in, so they don't understand Mastodon's report system either. If you need to report something to one of the instance admins, you'll have to send them a DM. Most public Hubzilla hubs only reveal who the admins are in the JSON-formatted siteinfo. On (streams) and Forte, you'll have to go to the directory, have only local channels shown, sort them by age and guess which of the oldest actually local channels are admins. That said, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte have much more radical methods at hand for keeping unwanted stuff out than Mastodon. Most Fediverse server applications allow for admins to block entire instances, many, (streams) and Forte included, even give users this power. But (streams) and Forte have received a new feature called "user agent filter" in September which is capable of blocking entire Fediverse projects on a per-instance level. It was mainly designed as a more advanced counter-measure against Threads, but it can just as well be used to lock out the entirety of Mastodon, Glitch included, or the entirety of Pleroma, for example. It can even operate on an allowlist which, in addition to (streams)/Forte's own instances, only allows certain other server apps. And since Hubzilla and (streams) both aren't based on ActivityPub, and ActivityPub is optional on both, they can theoretically completely raise the drawbridge and cut everything based on ActivityPub off in one fell swoop. In this case, they can only interact with each other, and Hubzilla can also optionally interact with diaspora* and Friendica via the diaspora* protocol. In fact, I know one (streams) group where ActivityPub was deactivated with the very intention to keep Mastodon out. The main issue of all four has to be UX. None of the four has an official iOS and/or Android app. Friendica is from 2010 and designed for standard desktop browsers, and the others are the only survivors of a long family of forks. They can all be set up as progressive Web apps, but nobody knows what that even is, much less how to do that. Also, people need something with the same name as the server application that they can install from the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store. Friendica is the only one of the four with third-party apps with a native mobile UI. Even then, there's exactly one app readily available in the Apple App Store and the Google Play Store, RaccoonForFriendica, and it's so brand-new that it has only just had its first "stable" release (version 0.1.0). All that Hubzilla has is Nomad, an app only available on F-Droid that's a specialised browser for the Web interface, and that has last seen a new version almost five years ago. (streams) has nothing, Forte even less because it's so new and bleeding-edge that it currently has exactly one private instance with exactly one user. Truth be told, a mobile app with a fully native mobile UI for (streams) and Forte would be so deep that it'd rival K-9 Mail in complexity, and such an app for Hubzilla would be even more complex. Friendica supports the Mastodon client API, but no app out there that can be used with Friendica covers more than a small subset of Friendica's features. Basically, unless it's Fedilab, you're forced to use Friendica like Mastodon. In this regard, it'd be completely foolish to add the Mastodon client API to Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte. It wouldn't happen anyway because the devs refuse to have too much proprietary, non-standard Mastodon technology on board. One could say that the UX is a general issue. This is partially because, again, Friendica was geared towards the desktop almost one and a half decades ago with a Web UI designed by a protocol developer. At least, its UI has taken some cues from Misskey apparently. Hubzilla's only remaining theme was dolled up this year with more colour configuration options, but otherwise, its only available theme and therefore its entire UX is stuck in 2012 when it was still named Red. New third-party themes are still in development. And while (streams) got a brand-new, fresh theme (appropriately named Fresh) which Forte inherited, it isn't modelled in the style of a 2024 mobile app either. It certainly doesn't help that Friendica is a very complex piece of software. Forte is more complex. (streams) is another bit more complex. and Hubzilla is the most complex one of the four by far and, while technologically still more advanced than most of the Fediverse, stuck in 2012 in other UX-related things. In addition, Hubzilla is the only one of the four where you have to turn ActivityPub support on, and finding that "switch" is anything but straight-forward. What doesn't help either is people's expectations. I'd say that people escaping from Facebook might get used to Friendica without too many problems, probably more easily than Mastodon which works entirely differently. But what most people coming to the Fediverse are looking for is Twitter. Or something as close to Twitter as possible. You see it in the many Mastodonians who keep using Mastodon like Twitter. Bluesky is an all-out, 1:1 clone of Twitter from about ten years ago, all the way to appearing to be (and actually mostly being) a centralised, monolithic silo just like Twitter. Mastodon already repels people escaping from 𝕏 by both not really looking and feeling like Twitter and the prospect of having to choose an instance (which is FUD because the official app railroads newbies to mastodon.social). The millions who joined two years ago only joined because the vast majority of them were basically "told" that Mastodon, and therefore the Fediverse, is only one website: mastodon.social. Or mas.to. Or mstdn.social. You get the point, I guess. Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte aren't Twitter clones. They don't aim to be just like Twitter with all its shortcomings included. They aim to be sort of like Facebook, but better, with extra features and with Facebook's shortcomings removed. Facebook looks, feels and works nothing like 𝕏. It never has. And so, these four are about as far away from being anything like 𝕏 as they could possibly be. And that's by design. But it isn't user-friendly to those who are looking for the closest thing to the official 𝕏 mobile app. CC: @<a href="https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">mekka okereke :verified:</a> @<a href="https://mas.to/@stooovie" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jiří Fiala Total Landscaping</a> @<a href="https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Madeleine Morris</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Onboarding" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Onboarding</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Moderation" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Moderation</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=UI" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">UI</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=UX" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">UX</a>

Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Nexus of Privacy</a> A remark on "A Tale of Two Prototypes": The Fediverse did not start with Mastodon. You wrote that, quote, <blockquote>Mastodon and its forks have also prototyped [...] <ul><li>A <a href="https://privacy.thenexus.today/free-fediverses-and-consent/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">consent-based culture</a> that (while imperfect and intermittent) points to a very different path than surveillance capitalism</li><li>A real-life testbed for all the complexities of decentralized moderation and federated diplomacy</li><li>A protocol-based platform for (somewhat) interoperaable social media operations</li></ul></blockquote> End quote. No, they didn't. Mastodon and Glitch invented next to nothing. It has all been there before 2016, before Mastodon, just like the Fediverse itself. Allow me to quote-post myself: <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland?f=&zid=handmade.social%40handmade.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland?f=&zid=handmade.social%40handmade.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jupiter Rowland</a> schrieb den folgenden <a href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/fc5844c4-9a5c-4cfc-b167-9be69833ba5e?f=&zid=handmade.social%40handmade.social" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beitrag</a> Tue, 05 Nov 2024 20:38:26 +0100 Three golden rules for the Fediverse. One: Whatever you think Eugen Rochko has invented in the Fediverse was most certainly actually invented by either Evan Prodromou or Mike Macgirvin long before Mastodon. Two: If you think the Fediverse should introduce a feature because Mastodon doesn't have it, the Fediverse most certainly does have it because any one of Mike Macgirvin's creations (<a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Friendica%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a>, <a href="https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Hubzilla%3F" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>, <a href="https://codeberg.org/streams/streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> and/or <a href="https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a>) has it. It's likely that other projects have it, too. And if it's on Friendica or Hubzilla, they've had it before Mastodon was made. 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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://digitalcourage.social/@chbmeyer" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ch M[ae][iy]e?r 🖤🤍</a> <blockquote>Die Misskey-Familie ist am leistungsfähigsten, aber stark fragmentiert. Firefish und Calkey sind "tot"?</blockquote> Firefish ist Calckey. Oder war es. Ich versuche mal, die Geschichte nachzuzeichnen: Calckey entstand, indem Kainoa Kanter einen Soft-Fork von Misskey angelegt hat. Damals war es noch üblich, daß jeder Forkey einen Namen mit "-key" am Ende hat (FoundKey, Meisskey, Tanukey etc.). Das war im Grunde immer ein Soloprojekt. Es gab noch ein paar Extra-Entwickler. Aber: Nur Kainoa durfte in den Release-Code einpflegen und neue Versionen rausbringen, außerdem gehörten Kainoa die Domain der Website, die Domain des Code-Repository und die Domain der Leuchtturminstanz, die auch nur Kainoa administrierte. Anfang 2023, eigentlich war Akkoma gerade der heiße Scheiß, schob ein einzelner Calckey-Fan mit massiver Werbung einen Calckey-Hype an. Weil sich die Leute reihenweise auf Calckey stürzten, kam der Gedanke auf, für ein so populäres Projekt ist "Calckey" eigentlich ein doofer Name. Also wurde Calckey in Firefish umbenannt. Im Oktober 2023 ist Kainoa dann ziemlich komplett von der Bildfläche verschwunden, jedenfalls komplett aus dem Fediverse. Monatelang überhaupt gar nichts. Zu dem Zeitpunkt war Firefish noch einigermaßen synchron mit Misskey, das auf Version 12 war. Zwischenzeitlich ging Misskey auf Version 13, dann auf Version 14. Aber Firefish zog nicht nach, weil Kainoa nicht da war. Die anderen Devs konnten Patches einreichen, aber nur Kainoa durfte die in den Produktivcode einpflegen. Anfang 2024 war Firefish allmählich kritisch veraltet. Nicht nur das, sondern die Leuchtturminstanz, die mit Abstand größte Instanz kackte komplett ab und funktionierte überhaupt nicht mehr. Außer Kainoa konnte sich da aber niemand drum kümmern. An diesem Punkt wurde Firefish für tot erklärt. Leute sprangen reihenweise ab. Ganze Instanzen migrierten von Firefish zu Sharkey, einem anderen, jüngeren Misskey-Soft-Fork, der vor allem aktueller und aktiv gepflegt war. Ganze Firefish-Instanzen wurden auf Sharkey umgestellt. Meines Wissens waren es die anderen Firefish-Entwickler, die das sinkende Schiff verließen. Sie forkten Firefish zu Iceshrimp, um zumindest ein paar Firefish-Features behalten zu können. Es war ein Hard Fork, weil sie eh nicht damit rechneten, daß mit Firefish noch irgendwas passiert. Und sie haben Iceshrimp praktisch unmittelbar nach den Fork nach Misskey rebaset, um den "Unterbau" vom asbach-uralten Misskey 12 auf Misskey 14 hochziehen zu können. Im Frühjahr ist Kainoa wieder aufgetaucht. Der Grund für die Auszeit war ein Abschluß und ein Jobeinstieg. Und jetzt sollte es mit Firefish weitergehen. Nur war vom alten Firefish nicht mehr viel übrig. Und wohl erst jetzt erfuhr Kainoa, daß alle anderen Entwickler abgesprungen waren und nicht gedachten zurückzukehren. Letztlich gab Kainoa den Quellcode an eine neue Entwicklerin ab, Naskya. Aber nur den Code. Die drei Domains mitsamt dranhängenden Websites zu übertragen, war wohl zuviel Aufwand. Kainoa hat alle drei abgeschaltet, weshalb die meisten Leute glauben, Firefish sei tot, weil die ganzen alten Weblinks nicht mehr funktionieren. Naskya hat vorher den Quellcode auf ein neues Repository gesichert. Das aktuelle Firefish ist also rein technisch gesprochen ein Fork des alten Firefish unter demselben Namen. Außerdem hat Naskya eine neue Leuchtturminstanz gestartet auf einer Unterdomain des Repository. Letzten Monat hat sie dann bekanntgegeben, daß es viel zuviel Aufwand ist, Firefish ganz alleine zu pflegen, und Hilfe hat sie ja keine. So kann sie das unmöglich weiterführen. Also hat sie die Weiterentwicklung von Firefish gestoppt. Es wird jetzt nur noch gewartet und auch das nur bis Jahresende, dann ist mit Entwicklung Schluß. Und im Februar 2025 werden Code-Repository und Leuchtturminstanz abgeschaltet. <blockquote>Gibt es da irgendwelche Tendenzen, das zu Einen?</blockquote> Absolut nicht. Im allgemeinen sind Forkeys, die direkt von Misskey geforkt wurden, entstanden, um mehr Features an Misskey dranzukleben. So auch Calckey. Die Idee hinter Sharkey war wohl quasi, den ultimativen Forkey zu bauen. Sharkey ist ein Misskey-Soft-Fork, wo teilweise Sachen aus Calckey/Firefish drangebaut wurden und zusätzlich noch Eigengezüchtetes. Iceshrimp startete als der Versuch, einen stabilen Ersatz für Firefish zu haben. Es wurde von Firefish hartgeforkt, dann zwecks Aktualisierung der Basis auf das viel aktuellere Misskey rebaset. Dann hat man gemerkt, daß viele Probleme von Misskey selbst geerbt worden waren und es zu aufwendig wäre, die zu flicken. Ich meine, sonst hätte Firefish selbst das gemacht, sonst hätte Sharkey das gemacht oder wer auch immer. Also haben die Entwickler Iceshrimp auf Wartung gesetzt, die Weiterentwicklung komplett gestoppt und sich drangesetzt, das ganze Iceshrimp von Grund auf neu zu schreiben. Und zwar nicht mehr in TypeScript und Node.js, weil JavaScript für Serveranwendungen Käse ist, sondern in C#. Zwischenzeitlich ist von Iceshrimp Catodon geforkt worden. Das hat wieder einen anderen Fokus, und zwar will es ein Forkey für Mastodon-Umsteiger sein. Mit einem ähnlichen Featuresatz wie Mastodon, also mit viel Firefish- und sogar Misskey-Klimbim rausgeschmissen und mit Mastodons Standard-Weboberfläche. Catodons Entwicklung ist meines Wissens auch gestoppt, ich glaube, die warten darauf, daß Iceshrimp.NET fertig wird, damit sie Catodon darauf rebasen können. Dann gibt's noch CherryPick, einen japanischen Sharkey-Fork. Der hat sich zum Ziel gesetzt, die Macken, die das völlig überzüchtete Sharkey hat, auszubügeln. Das ist wohl zu großen Teilen auch schon gelungen. Schätze, die CherryPick-Entwickler haben es auch geschafft, Sharkeys legendär grottenschlechte Mastodon-API-Implementation durch die neue zu ersetzen, auf die die Sharkey-Entwickler schon ewig warten. <blockquote>Markdown (Fett, Links, unterstrichen), keine Zeichenbegrenzung und flexiblere Umfragen. Sonst noch was wichtiges?</blockquote> Markdown geht bei Misskey und den Forkeys noch weiter. Zeichenbegrenzung haben sie alle, nur nicht auf 500 Zeichen. Je nach Projekt hast du 3000 hartgecodete Zeichen (Misskey) oder ein paar tausend, aber durch den Admin einstellbar. (Fast) ganz ohne Zeichenbegrenzung sind nur die Sachen von Mike Macgirvin, also Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) und das wohl noch experimentelle noch gar nicht richtig gestartete Forte. Die letzteren beiden haben nur eine durch die Serverdatenbank bedingte Zeichenbegrenzung von über 24.000.000 Zeichen. 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Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://loma.ml/profile/feb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Matthias ⚝</a> @<a href="https://cosocial.ca/@evan" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Evan Prodromou</a> <blockquote>Another alternative would be to deactivate activity pub (optional) (because it is toxic) and rely on the Diaspora / DFRN.</blockquote> This would basically create three parallel "Fediverses". One, the ActivityPub-based one which could be considered "bugged" and illegal as per GDPR because data sniffers would be everywhere. This part of the Fediverse would quickly wither away and die for one sole reason: Mastodon, which makes up over 70% of today's Fediverse, is developed in Germany, and mastodon.social, which makes up over 20% of today's Fediverse, is hosted in Germany. Germany is a member of the EU and thus GDPR area. In fact, Germany was a driving force behind GDPR. Mastodon, in its entirety, would basically become illegal in its own country. Unless, of course, Gargron took the step to move Mastodon over to the USA entirely and shutter Mastodon gGmbH. Two, the "safe" Social Web based on the diaspora* protocol and consisting of diaspora* itself, Friendica, Hubzilla and Socialhome. Many users of the latter three (if Friendica still offers this option, and if Socialhome introduces it) will turn ActivityPub off and cut off all ties to the ActivityPub-based Fediverse. Three, the "even safer" nomadic grid of Hubzilla and (streams), based on the Zot6 protocol. Both definitely do allow ActivityPub being off, and on Hubzilla, it is off on new channels by default. I guess both would feel quite some relief when they are no longer bound to a "Fediquette" defined entirely by Mastodon users who barely or not at all know that the Fediverse is not only Mastodon. Especially the several public Hubzilla hubs in Germany, including the two biggest ones, would be quick to turn ActivityPub off on a hub level because leaving it on would be illegal suddenly. I'm not sure what'd happen to @<a class="" href="https://fediversity.site/channel/mikedev" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Macgirvin 🖥️</a>'s latest fork, Forte, which is (streams) with Nomad and Zot6 removed and nothing but ActivityPub. On the one hand, like (streams), it has an unparalleled permissions system. On the other hand, ActivityPub itself would become inherently unsafe. Besides, even something as basic as direct messages aren't necessarily that private if Pleroma admins can choose to circumvent direct message privacy on a per-instance level. And yes, Pleroma has that option. #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=ActivityPub" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ActivityPub</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Pleroma" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pleroma</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=diaspora%2A" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">diaspora*</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Friendica" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friendica</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Streams" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Streams</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=%28streams%29" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(streams)</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Forte" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forte</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zot" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zot</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Zot6" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zot6</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=GDPR" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">GDPR</a>

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