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Giacomo Tesio<a href="https://mastodon.social/users/ekaitz_zarraga" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social</a> That's not the most absurd dependency I've seen so far. For example, to bootstrap <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=llvm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLVM</a> you used to need <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=gcc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GCC</a>. 🤣 (not sure it's still the case).

Darryl PogueApple finally published some source code for the Xcode 16 tools. Nice to see cctools slowly getting chipped away at and replaced with upstream LLVM/clang tools (previously `otool`, now `as`). Kinda surprised tapi hasn't managed to make its way upstream yet.I do wish they would still release CF code as part of the macOS source dumps. Clearly macOS still uses CoreFoundation...<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Apple" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Apple</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Xcode" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Xcode</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpenSource</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LLVM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLVM</a>

kbeylsWe just extended the deadline for the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LLVM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLVM</a> dev room at <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/FOSDEM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FOSDEM</a> submissions until 8th of December. There's still time to make your submission at <a href="https://pretalx.fosdem.org/fosdem-2025/cfp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://pretalx.fosdem.org/fosdem-2025/cfp</a>! Full CFP at <a href="https://discourse.llvm.org/t/8277" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://discourse.llvm.org/t/8277</a>

J3RN :emacs: :haskell:Hey <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Haskell" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Haskell</a> people, have any of you written a compiler with <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Binaryen" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Binaryen</a> or <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/LLVM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLVM</a> for the backend? Any recommendations on libraries, guides, or gotchas to watch out for?I've seen the llvm-tf and llvm-ffi libraries which are reasonably current (each ~1 year since last update). I saw Tweag has a binaryen package, but I'm not sure they're updating it now that Asterius is defunct (~4 years since last update).

Chandler CarruthHad a bunch of thoughts about the recent safety stuff, way more than fit in social media post... Blog post story time! (It's a bit of a ramble, sorry about that...)<a href="https://chandlerc.blog/posts/2024/11/story-time-bounds-checking/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://chandlerc.blog/posts/2024/11/story-time-bounds-checking/</a><a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/LLVM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLVM</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Clang" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Clang</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/MemorySafety" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MemorySafety</a>

mgorny-nyan (he) :autism:🙀🚂🐧Honestly, I hate the <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/LLVM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLVM</a> release model.Basically, LLVM is becoming a more and more critical component of modern software infrastructure, and yet:1. It has some extremely fragile components (e.g. sanitizers) that periodically need to be fixed.2. Every major release introduces significant API changes.3. Every major release is supported for roughly 4 months.This means that, except for the few projects that aggressively follow new releases, most projects don't even start supporting the new version until it's effectively EOL (except it's not called "EOL", that would be rude). Then, downstreams have to actually maintain all the old releases — <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a> currently ends up patching four extra releases (down to LLVM 15, and someone just demanded restoring 14, for Haskell). Plus requesting backports to 19, so we wouldn't have to patch it from day one. Plus testing main weekly, so we don't end up with tons of regressions to be fixed and to have the fixes backported, once the next release is branched.And honestly, this is precisely what you'd expect from corporate <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpenSource</a>. They pour loads of money to have code churned out to meet their selfish interests, with little concern over long-term effects. Then, volunteers have to go through the tremendous effort of shaping the resulting dung into something reasonably stable, and maintain it afterwards.

kbeylsThe <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LLVM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLVM</a> developer room is back for the 11th consecutive year at <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/FOSDEM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FOSDEM</a>, on February 1st! We're looking for presentation proposals on all aspects of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LLVM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLVM</a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/MLIR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MLIR</a>. See the CFP for details <a href="https://discourse.llvm.org/t/cfp-fosdem-2025-llvm-dev-room/82779" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://discourse.llvm.org/t/cfp-fosdem-2025-llvm-dev-room/82779</a>. If you've got ideas, but you're not fully sure if they would be a good fit for the room, I'm more than happy to help you refine your abstract. Please don't be shy to reach out here or through one of my office hours <a href="https://llvm.org/docs/GettingInvolved.html#office-hours" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://llvm.org/docs/GettingInvolved.html#office-hours</a>. I hope to see many of you at FOSDEM!

GCC - GNU ToolchainCurious about the driving forces behind <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/GCC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GCC</a> stability and <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/LLVM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLVM</a>’s rapid innovation? Ever wondered how release strategies impacts Linux distributions? Tom Stellard and David Edelsohn's presentation from US <a href="https://mastodon.social/@llvm" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@llvm</a> DevMtg. <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/GCC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GCC</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/LLVM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLVM</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpenSource</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/Compilers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Compilers</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/LTS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LTS</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/ReleaseEngineering" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ReleaseEngineering</a> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7258183064650936320/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7258183064650936320/</a>

Sikorski Arkadiusz vel ArakuSPolly - LLVM Framework for High-Level Loop and Data-Locality Optimizations <a href="https://polly.llvm.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://polly.llvm.org/</a> "Polly is a high-level loop and data-locality optimizer and optimization infrastructure for LLVM. It uses an abstract mathematical representation based on integer polyhedra to analyze and optimize the memory access pattern of a program."<a href="https://floss.social/tags/llvm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#llvm</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/polly" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#polly</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/dev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dev</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/code" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#code</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/programming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#programming</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/optimization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#optimization</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/clang" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#clang</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/optimizer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#optimizer</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/polyhedra" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#polyhedra</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/OpenMP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpenMP</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/SIMD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SIMD</a>

Sikorski ArQAMD Optimizing C/C++ and Fortran Compilers (AOCC) AOCC 5.0 is now available ( October 10, 2024 ) <a href="https://www.amd.com/en/developer/aocc.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.amd.com/en/developer/aocc.html</a><a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/AMD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AMD</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/C" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#C</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/C" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#C</a>++ <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Fortran" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fortran</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/AOCC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AOCC</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/compiler" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#compiler</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/clang" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#clang</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/clang17" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#clang17</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/programi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#programi</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/dev" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dev</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/development" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#development</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/software" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#software</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/opt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#opt</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/optimization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#optimization</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/programming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#programming</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/code" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#code</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/C0DE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#C0DE</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/x86" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#x86</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/ZEN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ZEN</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/LLVM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLVM</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Zen5" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Zen5</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Zen4" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Zen4</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Zen3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Zen3</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Zen2" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Zen2</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Zen1" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Zen1</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/C17" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#C17</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/C" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#C</a>++17 <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Fortran" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fortran</a>

Sikorski Arkadiusz vel ArakuSclang-20: argument '-Ofast' is deprecated; use '-O3 -ffast-math' for the same behavior, or '-O3' to enable only conforming optimizations <a href="https://floss.social/tags/clang" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#clang</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/programming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#programming</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/compiler" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#compiler</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/cli" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#cli</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/optimization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#optimization</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/level" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#level</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/c" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#c</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/cpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#cpp</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/o3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#o3</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/opencl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#opencl</a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/llvm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#llvm</a>

David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)Our <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/LLVM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLVM</a> job ad <a href="https://www.scisemi.com/careers/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">is finally up!</a>We're looking to hire two people (probably one more senior, one more junior) to maintain, update, improve, and upstream the <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/CHERIoT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CHERIoT</a> LLVM toolchain (not necessarily in that order).Happy to answer questions here.

mgorny-nyan (he) :autism:🙀🚂🐧Since I'm moving here from Fosstodon, I suppose it's a good opportunity for a re-<a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/introduction" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#introduction</a>.My name's Michał Górny. You may know me as a Gentoo developer, though my social media usage extended beyond that.I've joined <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Gentoo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Gentoo</a> in 2010, back when I was still a student. You could say that we've both matured together, perhaps became less bleeding edge and more stable. There are some things that I'm still doing all these years later, notably the maintenance of <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Python" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Python</a> ecosystem in Gentoo (which is superior to other distributions, I must say), <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/LLVM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLVM</a>, <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/XFCE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XFCE</a> and some other random packages, building Distribution Kernels. I also create <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpenSource</a> software (mostly tools related to Gentoo package management), work in QA, and either do or have done a lot of random stuff that simply needed to be done.Professionally, I used to be a programmer. However, I quit my last job in 2022 due to health breakdown and haven't managed to find a good job so far. Right now, I'm mostly surviving on what I've managed to save years ago, with some help from my gracious sponsors (thank you for your donations!). I've started a new job recently, though onboarding is taking quite long and it's not yet clear if I'll manage to actually make any profit.I am very <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/introvert" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#introvert</a>. I always enjoyed <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/hiking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#hiking</a> and fast walks around <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/nature" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#nature</a>, and since I've been diagnosed with <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/diabetes" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#diabetes</a> in 2022, this changed from just a pastime to a necessary exercise. That said, I don't like repeating the same routes too often, so I go around by <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/rail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rail</a>. My main interchange stations are <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Pozna%C5%84" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Poznań</a>, <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Leszno" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Leszno</a>, <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/G%C5%82og%C3%B3w" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Głogów</a> and <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/Wroc%C5%82aw" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Wrocław</a>.A few years ago I adopted three stray <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/cat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#cat</a> siblings: Blackie (or Lulu), Ruh and Mr. Gray (or Mr. Ek!). They are going to cyclically appear in my avatars and profile backgrounds. That said, they made me realize I'm actually a cat, and a big cat too (that's why the "territory" I keep patrolling has roughly 200 km radius).I hate <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/politics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#politics</a> and I'm quite angry that I am forced to take interest in it. I'm a strong believer in the <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/CarFree" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CarFree</a> ideology (I don't even have a driver's license). I will sometimes rant in the <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/AntiCapitalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AntiCapitalism</a> mood, with a sprinkle of <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/ecology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ecology</a> and <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#degrowth</a> in the face of <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/ClimateCrisis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ClimateCrisis</a>.I enjoy reading <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/books" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#books</a> (fiction and non-fiction alike), watching <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/movies" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#movies</a> or <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/series" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#series</a> (though I usually don't manage more than 30 minutes at a time) or playing computer <a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/tags/games" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#games</a> (preferably slower, older, single-player games these days).I generally toot simultaneously in english and polish (except for word plays that don't make sense in the other language). My polish account is: <a href="https://pol.social/@mgorny" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://pol.social/@mgorny</a>

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