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a word about delays

this is not an actual archetype, but it can be said that a delay in a balancing loop almost always causes some problems, especially in a #limitstogrowth situation. #overshoot is the best example for that. and everything can be a delay. a stock is a delay in itself. a flow can and often has delays. delays are probably the thing i have the most respect of in a system.

The best & most comprehensive article I have read yet about the impending #collapse due to #overshoot, and what we can, but why we won't, do anything about it.

Thank you Jack of all trades @jackofalltrades

Overshoot: Cognitive Obsolescence
And the Population Conundrum

medium.com/@alysion42/overshoo

Medium · Overshoot: Cognitive Obsolescence And the Population ConundrumBy Eric Lee
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K-selected species have slower reproduction & longer generation times, their responses to changes in population size are delayed, which creates lower-amplitude, slower oscillations in their populations.

they are selected for by evolution regarding resource use, hence K-selected.

humans like other big mammals once were a K-selected species, even when elon musk is flying around with his jet having 3 million kids - we still are.

#overshoot
#systemsthinking
#systemsdynamics
@systemsthinking

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#systemsdynamics-wise there are 2 different types of species:

r-selected species like small mammals have rapid reproduction & short generation times, so they respond quickly to environmental changes. they produce many offspring, so they face overshooting K often, leading to high-amplitude, rapid oscillations in their population stocks, especially when delayed responses are present.

they are selected for by reproduction rates, hence r-selected.

#overshoot
#systemsthinking
@systemsthinking

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however, there can be a delay between the time when the population reaches a relatively high density & the time when resources become limiting enough to significantly affect birth and death rates. this delay in the feedback mechanism can cause the population stock to temporarily "#overshoot" the amount of possible individuals available resources can sustain. that results in a temporary die-off and starts a boom-and-bust cycle of oscillations.

#systemsthinking
#systemsdynamics
@systemsthinking

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delays, system oscillation & #overshoot

(this is where the tea begins)

in population dynamics, negative feedbacks are responsible for regulating population's stock in response to resources availability. delays in that response can lead to oscillations in population stock over time. system oscillations are a characteristic of balancing feedbacks in which the information regulating the goal-seeking action is delayed.

#systemsthinking
#systemsdynamics
@systemsthinking

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as the old greeks knew there's hope at the bottom of pandora's box. so here is my hope:

we are trashing the planet. nature once gave us plenty and the last 3 generations of westerners took it all. we are trashing ourselves and others in the process. work a 8-5 to buy shit that intoxicates us, both physically and mentally.

but it doesn't make us happy, right? doesn't make us happy. are you happy right now?

#limitstogrowth
#overshoot
#climatechange
#collapse
#sustainability
#resilience

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i am sorry to confront people with all of this. this is all a kind of information with you should consume with great caution. i have seen people going genuinely insane over it. but no problem or predicament can be a addressed or responded to without being understood.

so i hope i find some people who are willing to think about this with me.

#limitstogrowth
#overshoot
#climatechange
#collapse
#collapseology
#sustainability
#resilience

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and now comes the hardest-to-accept part, even i am struggling a lot with it, and maybe we should. the only plan we have is about climate change, and it all comes back to the decoupling while growing the economy, of which we do currently NOT KNOW if it is even possible on a planet-scale. IF we for whatever reason magically solve that - the next limit approaches.

#limitstogrowth
#overshoot
#climatechange
#collapse
#collapseology
#sustainability
#resilience

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it is important to note that it is always that most scarce resource which sets the limiting factor for a species growth. in the case of humans it currently looks like this is our atmosphere's ability to take up greenhouse gases. climate change will diminish the carrying capacity of the planet, substantially. but if if we solved that one - there would be other limiting factors, hence CC is a merely the worst symptom.

#limitstogrowth
#overshoot
#climatechange
#collapse
#sustainability

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some smart folks in the 70s ran the numbers on all of it through a systems dynamics computer model. the limits to growth report. forester, the meadows.

the 1st graph is the result which has been seen as most likely.

2. some other runs of the model

3. a re-calibration of the model run on modern computer system im 2023

4. the model vs. actual statistical data.

we are right on track.

#limitstogrowth
#overshoot
#climatechange
#collapse
#collapseology
#sustainability
#resilience

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what we, western civilization, to be precise, has been doing is to overshoot so many vital ecosystems so much that we are permanently damaging vital structures beyond repair. that is what i mean when i talk about tipping points, it is not just the climate. once these vital structures are gone the system will tip into a different state and all of that is why overshoot is hard to understand and measure.

#limitstogrowth
#overshoot
#climatechange
#collapse
#collapseology
#sustainability
#resilience