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@Matthias ⚝ @Evan Prodromou
This would basically create three parallel "Fediverses".
One, the ActivityPub-based one which could be considered "bugged" and illegal as per GDPR because data sniffers would be everywhere.
This part of the Fediverse would quickly wither away and die for one sole reason: Mastodon, which makes up over 70% of today's Fediverse, is developed in Germany, and mastodon.social, which makes up over 20% of today's Fediverse, is hosted in Germany. Germany is a member of the EU and thus GDPR area. In fact, Germany was a driving force behind GDPR. Mastodon, in its entirety, would basically become illegal in its own country. Unless, of course, Gargron took the step to move Mastodon over to the USA entirely and shutter Mastodon gGmbH.
Two, the "safe" Social Web based on the diaspora* protocol and consisting of diaspora* itself, Friendica, Hubzilla and Socialhome. Many users of the latter three (if Friendica still offers this option, and if Socialhome introduces it) will turn ActivityPub off and cut off all ties to the ActivityPub-based Fediverse.
Three, the "even safer" nomadic grid of Hubzilla and (streams), based on the Zot6 protocol. Both definitely do allow ActivityPub being off, and on Hubzilla, it is off on new channels by default.
I guess both would feel quite some relief when they are no longer bound to a "Fediquette" defined entirely by Mastodon users who barely or not at all know that the Fediverse is not only Mastodon. Especially the several public Hubzilla hubs in Germany, including the two biggest ones, would be quick to turn ActivityPub off on a hub level because leaving it on would be illegal suddenly.
I'm not sure what'd happen to @Mike Macgirvin
's latest fork, Forte, which is (streams) with Nomad and Zot6 removed and nothing but ActivityPub. On the one hand, like (streams), it has an unparalleled permissions system. On the other hand, ActivityPub itself would become inherently unsafe. Besides, even something as basic as direct messages aren't necessarily that private if Pleroma admins can choose to circumvent direct message privacy on a per-instance level. And yes, Pleroma has that option.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon #Pleroma #diaspora* #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Zot #Zot6 #GDPR
Another alternative would be to deactivate activity pub (optional) (because it is toxic) and rely on the Diaspora / DFRN.
This would basically create three parallel "Fediverses".
One, the ActivityPub-based one which could be considered "bugged" and illegal as per GDPR because data sniffers would be everywhere.
This part of the Fediverse would quickly wither away and die for one sole reason: Mastodon, which makes up over 70% of today's Fediverse, is developed in Germany, and mastodon.social, which makes up over 20% of today's Fediverse, is hosted in Germany. Germany is a member of the EU and thus GDPR area. In fact, Germany was a driving force behind GDPR. Mastodon, in its entirety, would basically become illegal in its own country. Unless, of course, Gargron took the step to move Mastodon over to the USA entirely and shutter Mastodon gGmbH.
Two, the "safe" Social Web based on the diaspora* protocol and consisting of diaspora* itself, Friendica, Hubzilla and Socialhome. Many users of the latter three (if Friendica still offers this option, and if Socialhome introduces it) will turn ActivityPub off and cut off all ties to the ActivityPub-based Fediverse.
Three, the "even safer" nomadic grid of Hubzilla and (streams), based on the Zot6 protocol. Both definitely do allow ActivityPub being off, and on Hubzilla, it is off on new channels by default.
I guess both would feel quite some relief when they are no longer bound to a "Fediquette" defined entirely by Mastodon users who barely or not at all know that the Fediverse is not only Mastodon. Especially the several public Hubzilla hubs in Germany, including the two biggest ones, would be quick to turn ActivityPub off on a hub level because leaving it on would be illegal suddenly.
I'm not sure what'd happen to @Mike Macgirvin
's latest fork, Forte, which is (streams) with Nomad and Zot6 removed and nothing but ActivityPub. On the one hand, like (streams), it has an unparalleled permissions system. On the other hand, ActivityPub itself would become inherently unsafe. Besides, even something as basic as direct messages aren't necessarily that private if Pleroma admins can choose to circumvent direct message privacy on a per-instance level. And yes, Pleroma has that option.#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon #Pleroma #diaspora* #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Zot #Zot6 #GDPR
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